I can not say much on chivalry but I agree with this quote.

From the comments of “What we need is more chivalry!”
Dalrock
February 18, 2013
http://dalrock.wordpress.com/2013/02/18/what-we-need-is-more-chivalry/

BC: There are many men who can and want to take care of a woman/women, and are willing to literally sacrifice their lives to do so. That is to say, what men want really hasn’t changed much. But how many modern women want to follow and obey (submit to) the man in return, in the manner stated in the traditional wedding vows? Not many. Certainly not anywhere near enough to make it a decent bet.

Sis: You promise them chivalry and you’ve won most of the battle, because feminists base their goals on fear.

More modern women want to submit than you would imagine.

That is the problem, women who want to submit are not getting their voices out there. Also the reply is true feminism is based on fear. Feminism tells women, if you are not independent you will be abused, oppressed, left broke and lonely once he trades you in for a younger girl. The drive for independence is in part based on fear. Humans and women in general simply have a social part of us that craves companionship. And a huge portion of women crave submission as part of companionship. Women wanting to be independent is in a large part about fear. That fear is natural, and justified and is a part of women responding to the self driven part of us. But it is still a fear of men.

Feminism exploits women’s fears in this sense and one way for males to stop feminists from being in a position to do this is to show women that you will not abuse them if they submit to you. So TWRA is trying to say that males should come out in support of chivalry towards women. That males should support chivalry because chivalry is one way to show women that they do not need to fear men and that they do not need feminism or independence. Males need to show women that it is safe to submit. Should males have to do this? No. Is it fair? No. But that is life, it is what it is, we are were we are. The mess has been made, so we clean it up.

Women have to come out against feminism and in support of men and men have to come out in support of chivalry and submissive women. And I mean no disrespect to non-submissive women, men should support them as well, if a man feels that that is the type of woman that he would prefer to have a relationship with. But for guys who want a submissive girl, you have to come out in support of them. And part of that is chivalry as described by TWRA.

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4 thoughts on “I can not say much on chivalry but I agree with this quote.

  1. Mamaziller, the quote above attributed to me is not from me. Apparently this is the source of your quote:

    What we need is more chivalry!
    Dalrock
    February 18, 2013
    http://dalrock.wordpress.com/2013/02/18/what-we-need-is-more-chivalry/

    Sis says in part (February 18, 2013 at 10:15pm):

    “They obey him, he protects. Why would women ever obey a man who wouldn’t take care of her? You promise them chivalry and you’ve won most of the battle, because feminists base their goals on fear.”

    Then BC said in part (February 18, 2013 at 11:18pm):

    “Why would women ever obey a man who wouldn’t take care of her?

    There are many men who can and want to take care of a woman/women, and are willing to literally sacrifice their lives to do so. That is to say, what men want really hasn’t changed much. But how many modern women want to follow and obey (submit to) the man in return, in the manner stated in the traditional wedding vows? Not many. Certainly not anywhere near enough to make it a decent bet.

    You promise them chivalry and you’ve won most of the battle, because feminists base their goals on fear.

    One of the worst ways to teach a child to behave is to give them something in advance in return for a promise of good behavior.”

    In the above BC is responding to Sis. I am not involved in the exchange.

    Please correct the quote you are using above and identify where your quote is coming from more precisely. Most importantly don’t attribute to me things I have not said.

  2. Mamaziller, you bring up a good point with which I totally agree; that feminism is in large part driven by fear, a fear that either men will abuse power if they have power or a fear that men will not live up to their responsibilities as men. Unfortunately the attitudes of MRAs only reinforce this fear of men. When I look at MRAs I do not get any sense that I can “trust them” to act on behalf of women’s interests. An MRA himself will bristle at the idea that he is supposed to act on behalf of “women’s interests” in the first place so even the MRA himself would agree that he is not to be trusted to act on behalf of women’s interests. The problem is that if man does not take care of woman then woman has to take care of herself by default; women taking care of themselves being the essence of what feminism is. So the MRA approach of men’s interests first is no good.

    I advocate for Chivalry, unconditional Chivalry for all women, because it is intrinsically good in its own right. However a large part of the value of Chivalry is precisely that it instills trust in men because it makes men trustworthy. Women trusting men; women in general trusting men in general; is vitally important to a functioning family system. Men embracing Chivalry themselves and imposing Chivalry upon each other as men is the mechanism by which men make themselves trustworthy in general. After men are trustworthy in general then women in general will be biased towards trusting men in general which is exactly what is good for men and good for society overall.

    It needs to be kept in mind; men can function as men even in a disordered environment. Women however cannot function as women in a disordered environment. In order for women to function as women they need male support. A man doesn’t need a woman’s support to function as a man. A man can function as a man unilaterally according to his own will; a woman however is dependent upon the man before her feminine strengths as a woman can be activated and used for societal benefit. This is why men must “go first” in the process of making gender relations between men and women good again.

    • Hi Jesse, I agree that MRAs in general cannot be trusted. The culture promoted by MRAs is the same culture promoted by feminism, it harms the family unit and the long term male/female relationship, and it too may be based somewhat on fear. Not fear of abuse, but fear of rejection. MRAs have been fed the message over and over that women do not want to submit, that women want independence and that women are feminists.

      Maybe some are afraid that women will reject them if they try to lead? They are afraid to say no to the feminist culture of male female interchangeability around us and lead women away from it and towards relationships that work. It is up to women to signal to men that we are not all feminist-thinking, and it is up to men to signal to women that they do not want relationships where both people are independent of each other and that they are okay with dependent women.

      If that is what they want?? It seems like a lot of men actually do not want relationships at all. I am not in the head of most males so I have no idea what they want, but relationships cannot last when two people are essentially independent of each other. The thing is though neither feminism nor MRAism sees long term relationships as more important than “the individual”.

      In theory it is true that men need to have their rights so that the traditional family becomes a logical option again, but the way in which MRAs seek these rights is disturbing because they seek these rights without being careful about the effects that their words and ideas have on family life and relationships. They teach men to hate women, in the same way feminism teaches women to hate men. They devalue gender roles, which essentially makes men and women independent and weakens the male/female relationship.

      And yes under normal conditions males have a surplus of labor and are essentially independent of women, but feminism (and MRAs as well) is trying to change or weaken that dynamic that through making childcare the direct responsibility of males as well. I really do not agree with that for me, but if it works for others…Ah well.. our culture is entirely screwed up and headed in the liberal direction, I do not think there is much we can do to stop it or slow it down.

      Time will tell..

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