Change of view Post: The entire initial argument was wrong!!!

The social part of our psychology causes society to trend either to traditionalism in an extreme form or toe liberalism in an extreme form. The social part of us causes most of us to follow the crowd and to fit into whatever we identify as the pattern (whether that pattern is to be weird, to be liberal, to be odd, or to fit in). BOTH liberalism and traditionalism are destructive in their own ways. Both need to be avoided. We have to seek balance, yet our minds were not really created for balance.

As life gets easier we trend to a liberal society and away from a traditional one. The traditional society is more efficient and better suited for survival of one’s offspring. It maximizes children and the survival of children. The patriarchy is essentially a child-survival centered society. It is very efficient and that is why it is so wide spread.

When life is easy and resources are abundant this type of society is no longer necessary because our children will survive no matter what. We do not need to be efficient, we can just follow our instincts because resources are abundant and life is easy. Feminism is essentially a product of how easy life has gotten and so is liberalism.

At first I thought that there seemed to be two types of societies. One where there are relationships and one where their aren’t. It seems that the ones where there are relationships between men and women are more successful in today’s world because they are. But my assumption that the societies without relationships are less productive because of a lack of family life is wrong.

What happened is that I have seen what a complete lack of family life does within a capitalist setting where life was not quite easy enough to handle it and within a patriarchal setting and that is complete destruction. So I want to make this warning in context. Think of it like this:

Traditionalism is the socialist model of structuring families. It is model of co-dependence that does not rely on competition to drive it. It promotes monogamy so that everyone gets a piece of the pie. Everyone gets access to sex. Everyone gets a spouse and can get access to ‘’work/the profits of male work’’ and access to sex and children. It is socialist at its heart.

Liberalism is the capitalist way of structuring society. We sleep around and there is no commitment. Sex or work is not guaranteed. In these societies many people go without being able to have children and many children do not get access to male work. The men who are richest or compete and end up successful with the biggest prey etc. get the most sex. This is the most natural way and it is the way we spent most of our existence.

What happened in Jamaica is that we used a liberal way of structuring society in a setting that was created for a traditional social structure. So women going to work took obs away from their kids because the social structure had not been created for working women. The problem was that the social structure was out of sync with the system, not that the social structure will is inherently bad but just that it is not compatible with the system.

The end result of liberalism is also horrible in a capitalist setting because it is a form of extreme capitalism and that completely demotivates the people who are at the bottom of the ladder. It completely demotivates and marginalized men. The end result of traditionalism in a socialist setting would give the exact same effect. It would be too socialist and people would become completely lazy.

So what we need to do is AVOID those two extremes. AVOID, AVOID, AVOID! And I think most people see that on some level and that is why conservatives are for the traditional family unit but against socialism in an economic sense. That is also why liberals are not for the traditional family unit but for social health care, darecare etc. The trick is for society to find and maintain a balance and that is harder than it looks because humans are both very selfish and very social.

We follow one another and not defining or developing one culture or another therefore becomes hard. We have to try to maintain marriage and the traditional family units in high enough numbers that it is a viable possible option, but also give enough room for people to choose other options. We have to maintain singlehood and all the other forms of relationships or no relationships in high enough numbers to give people those options as well. It is a pendulum and I have seen where liberalism/feminism is taking us and it is not pretty. It is a relationship less society and both men and women end up screwed. It is not the freedom paradise that they imagine it to be. The few who manage to be successful do end up happy…but it is really just the few. I am not saying that people in Jamaica are not happy; overall they are very happy.

But in terms of productivity men are demotivated and marginalized because the system makes it too hard to succeed. Many people also long for relationships that are simply not possible. So when society finds themselves there they need to swing the pendulum back to the traditional side, and so it goes.

Everything else that I said in this blog I still believe to be true and I am still very much a traditionalist and I stand against the demonization or bashing of traditional values! If you disagree with what I have to say in any of my post I would love to hear from you because debate is how we learn and change and that is a nice feeling for me!

See this post for more on the type of society I think would be ideal! Can liberals and conservatives unite?

Extreme traditionalism leads to an infringement on the rights of minorities, extreme liberalism is not healthy or best for the majority! Traditionalism benefits the “betas”, the average women and men, but the others also need to be considered.

Also please see. Why we need to fight for the patriarchy.


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